How Innovia Behavioral Health Is Changing The Way We Think About Mental Health With Lucas Catton

1 00:00:00,300 --> 00:00:03,903 Well, today I have a special guest that I'm really looking forward 2 00:00:03,903 --> 00:00:05,171 to introducing you to. 3 00:00:05,171 --> 00:00:07,440 And we're going to be talking about. 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,210 Is there another way of thinking about mental health? 5 00:00:10,577 --> 00:00:14,014 Is there a way that we can maybe even say that 6 00:00:14,014 --> 00:00:17,484 mental health is health and that are so much that can be done? 7 00:00:17,817 --> 00:00:22,622 Because sometimes when you hear the term mental health, it's very isolating. 8 00:00:22,655 --> 00:00:24,557 There's a stigma attached to it. 9 00:00:24,557 --> 00:00:25,859 And we're going to be talking 10 00:00:25,859 --> 00:00:30,096 about how we can change the way we think about mental health. 11 00:00:30,230 --> 00:00:35,402 The title of this episode is How Inovio Behavioral Health Is Changing the Way 12 00:00:35,402 --> 00:00:40,106 We Think About Mental Health with Lucas Caton coming right up. 13 00:00:41,074 --> 00:00:46,746 Oh, don't worry about today or things we cannot change. 14 00:00:47,013 --> 00:00:49,682 It's over the past weekend. 15 00:00:50,250 --> 00:00:51,851 Welcome to the Mental Health Today Show. 16 00:00:51,851 --> 00:00:55,155 My name is John Cordray and I'm a licensed therapist 17 00:00:55,155 --> 00:00:56,823 and I'm also the host of the show. 18 00:00:56,823 --> 00:00:59,893 And I'm very, very happy that you are tuning in today. 19 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:01,461 Where are you coming from? 20 00:01:01,461 --> 00:01:03,663 And some of you are not in the U.S. 21 00:01:03,696 --> 00:01:05,598 A lot of you are around the world. 22 00:01:05,598 --> 00:01:07,867 And it's a real humbling experience. 23 00:01:07,967 --> 00:01:11,671 Just hearing from those of you who are listening and you let me know 24 00:01:11,671 --> 00:01:15,542 that you're tuning in is such an honor that you're here. 25 00:01:15,809 --> 00:01:19,746 You could be spending so many other things, doing so many different 26 00:01:19,979 --> 00:01:23,216 things that are out there instead of listening to the show. 27 00:01:23,216 --> 00:01:24,484 So I don't take that for granted. 28 00:01:24,484 --> 00:01:27,454 I welcome you and I'm glad that you're here. 29 00:01:27,620 --> 00:01:30,523 Well, as I mentioned earlier, I'm really excited about this because 30 00:01:30,523 --> 00:01:33,693 we're going to be talking about how to maybe change the way 31 00:01:33,693 --> 00:01:37,230 we're thinking about mental health in my guest today. 32 00:01:37,497 --> 00:01:40,633 He is with a company called Anovia Behavioral Health. 33 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:44,604 Lucas Caton has worked in the behavioral health field for more 34 00:01:44,604 --> 00:01:49,142 than two decades with facilities and group practices around the country. 35 00:01:49,375 --> 00:01:53,746 He has helped establish and grow multiple programs and has served 36 00:01:53,746 --> 00:01:57,283 as a consultant and strategic advisor for many others. 37 00:01:57,484 --> 00:02:01,121 He has a big vision and he wants to create affordable, 38 00:02:01,121 --> 00:02:04,958 accessible help to assist everyday people lead happier, 39 00:02:05,291 --> 00:02:08,128 healthier lives, and to continue to shape 40 00:02:08,128 --> 00:02:11,064 the future of Inova Behavioral Health. 41 00:02:11,231 --> 00:02:13,133 I love that mission. 42 00:02:13,133 --> 00:02:15,034 Lucas, welcome to the show. 43 00:02:15,034 --> 00:02:16,970 Thank you so much, John. I really appreciate it. 44 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:18,404 Oh, you're welcome. 45 00:02:18,404 --> 00:02:22,208 I'm always looking for new, innovative 46 00:02:22,208 --> 00:02:26,479 ways to be able to share with my audience in mental health. 47 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:29,048 Let's face it, mental health is changing. 48 00:02:29,048 --> 00:02:32,318 The way it used to be was very stigmatized. 49 00:02:32,318 --> 00:02:34,554 And it still is to a degree now. 50 00:02:34,554 --> 00:02:38,658 But because of the technology that's available to us, 51 00:02:38,658 --> 00:02:39,826 and now that 52 00:02:39,826 --> 00:02:44,998 we have much more accessibility and more and more people are getting the help 53 00:02:44,998 --> 00:02:50,236 that they need, it's becoming much better to talk about with mental health. 54 00:02:50,503 --> 00:02:53,373 And I love the title of this episode 55 00:02:53,373 --> 00:02:56,643 is Changing the Way We Think About Mental Health. 56 00:02:56,809 --> 00:02:58,178 And I want to get to that. 57 00:02:58,178 --> 00:03:01,314 But first, Lucas, I want to know a little bit about you. 58 00:03:01,381 --> 00:03:03,550 Tell me a little story about you. 59 00:03:03,883 --> 00:03:07,387 What kind of gotcha into this field in the first place? 60 00:03:08,254 --> 00:03:08,721 Sure. 61 00:03:08,721 --> 00:03:13,860 Well, unfortunately, like a lot of people, I went astray as a kid 62 00:03:14,227 --> 00:03:18,798 and got into some trouble, found myself in in a treatment facility 63 00:03:19,232 --> 00:03:22,502 at 20 years old because I was partying too much at the time. 64 00:03:22,969 --> 00:03:26,706 And even though at the time I didn't feel like that was necessarily 65 00:03:26,706 --> 00:03:29,742 where I belonged, it was exactly where I belonged. 66 00:03:30,543 --> 00:03:34,881 Like I met a bunch of incredible people who were passionate about life 67 00:03:34,881 --> 00:03:37,116 and like me, were just trying to find their way. 68 00:03:38,017 --> 00:03:39,852 And so I got hooked on this base. 69 00:03:39,852 --> 00:03:43,456 I wound up working in there doing prevention for a while and doing 70 00:03:43,923 --> 00:03:47,460 marketing public relations, government relations and all kind of things, 71 00:03:47,460 --> 00:03:50,830 and over time grew into more of that consulting role that you had mentioned. 72 00:03:51,264 --> 00:03:53,499 I've helped open treatment facilities 73 00:03:53,499 --> 00:03:57,503 and and really kind of fell into what I believe is 74 00:03:57,503 --> 00:03:59,372 exactly what I've been needing to do my whole life, 75 00:03:59,372 --> 00:04:03,476 and that is assist people like me to feel better. 76 00:04:04,077 --> 00:04:05,511 And I love that. 77 00:04:05,511 --> 00:04:10,683 And I think there's a lot of people that were like you and a lot of people 78 00:04:10,683 --> 00:04:15,521 are struggling with life in the stress of life. 79 00:04:15,521 --> 00:04:20,126 And so often when people are faced with a lot of struggles, 80 00:04:20,126 --> 00:04:23,997 they tend to self-medicate or they tend to do things 81 00:04:23,997 --> 00:04:27,066 that are not healthy for them because they want to escape the pain. 82 00:04:27,066 --> 00:04:30,003 They want to get away from the pain. And that makes a lot of sense. 83 00:04:30,003 --> 00:04:33,273 And it sounds like that's where you were a long time 84 00:04:33,273 --> 00:04:36,376 ago, that you were trying to run away from something. 85 00:04:36,676 --> 00:04:37,243 Yeah, I didn't. 86 00:04:37,243 --> 00:04:39,912 I didn't know where I belonged, like in life in general. 87 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:44,083 And that was that was a big thing for me, as is a sense of belonging. 88 00:04:44,083 --> 00:04:48,154 And that's coming around full circle this, this many years later. 89 00:04:48,154 --> 00:04:50,790 It has been, it has been that. 90 00:04:50,790 --> 00:04:54,494 And part of driving the vision for how do we create a space where 91 00:04:55,128 --> 00:04:58,564 where people can feel connection regardless of what it is 92 00:04:58,564 --> 00:04:59,666 that they're going through in life. 93 00:04:59,666 --> 00:05:03,002 Like you mentioned, that the amount of stressors that people face, 94 00:05:03,002 --> 00:05:07,940 whether that's at work or at home or at school or in their relationships or, 95 00:05:07,974 --> 00:05:13,112 you know, you name it, that not everyone who is facing stress 96 00:05:13,112 --> 00:05:16,416 because we all do, is reaching out for some type of help or support. 97 00:05:16,816 --> 00:05:18,951 And so that's that's sort of what this is created 98 00:05:18,951 --> 00:05:22,322 for, is for really a broader audience of people who aren't 99 00:05:22,588 --> 00:05:25,458 necessarily current consumers of behavioral health services. 100 00:05:25,925 --> 00:05:26,359 Yeah. 101 00:05:26,359 --> 00:05:30,029 And that's a very, very large percentage of people 102 00:05:30,396 --> 00:05:32,765 because people who might be listening to this, 103 00:05:32,765 --> 00:05:35,868 they might be thinking, well, you know, yeah, I struggle here and there, 104 00:05:35,868 --> 00:05:38,871 but I don't necessarily need to go in to see a therapist. 105 00:05:38,871 --> 00:05:40,106 It's not that bad. 106 00:05:40,106 --> 00:05:41,040 But I do have stress. 107 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,643 I do have other things going on. 108 00:05:43,643 --> 00:05:47,780 And so we were talking about changing the way we think about mental health. 109 00:05:47,780 --> 00:05:50,650 And I think this is we're leading into this right now 110 00:05:51,017 --> 00:05:55,722 because mental health is not just for those who need to seek help. 111 00:05:55,822 --> 00:05:57,890 It's not serious mental illness. 112 00:05:58,391 --> 00:06:01,427 Tell me a little bit about what your perception is, 113 00:06:01,427 --> 00:06:06,933 what you're thinking about when when you hear the the term mental health 114 00:06:06,933 --> 00:06:11,204 and how it could be incorporated more into our general health. 115 00:06:11,938 --> 00:06:12,872 Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. 116 00:06:12,872 --> 00:06:16,342 I think you're right that so many people still do default 117 00:06:16,342 --> 00:06:20,446 to the idea of mental illness when they think of mental health and and it's just, 118 00:06:20,947 --> 00:06:25,051 you know, that's only one small portion of the greater mental health ecosystem 119 00:06:25,051 --> 00:06:26,486 and that our mental health 120 00:06:26,486 --> 00:06:29,889 is part of our overall health, whether we like to admit it or not. 121 00:06:30,456 --> 00:06:34,160 And the fact I had someone close to me a number of years ago 122 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,263 said, you know, I'm I'm concerned about your mental health. 123 00:06:37,530 --> 00:06:39,098 And at the time I took it, like, what do you mean 124 00:06:39,098 --> 00:06:41,033 you're concerned about my mental health? 125 00:06:41,033 --> 00:06:44,203 And it was just actually a very loving statement like, Hey, I care about you. 126 00:06:44,404 --> 00:06:49,542 And I, you know, at the time it was it seemed like it was like an accusation. 127 00:06:49,542 --> 00:06:51,511 Like what? Something is wrong with me. 128 00:06:51,511 --> 00:06:52,879 And I realized that wasn't it at all. 129 00:06:52,879 --> 00:06:56,783 And the more I dove into that and look at that now as a greater thing, 130 00:06:57,083 --> 00:06:58,451 you know, people have gym memberships. 131 00:06:58,451 --> 00:07:02,722 They're going to all kind of extravagant, you know, health related things, 132 00:07:02,722 --> 00:07:04,924 which is wonderful that that people are taking care of it, 133 00:07:04,924 --> 00:07:08,327 but they often leave out the mental health side and that maintenance, 134 00:07:08,828 --> 00:07:11,364 mental health and physical health that has to go together 135 00:07:11,364 --> 00:07:14,066 in order for us to really, truly feel better and do better in life. 136 00:07:14,634 --> 00:07:16,302 No, I think you're exactly right. 137 00:07:16,302 --> 00:07:20,306 And there's a term that's going around, and I do agree with it. 138 00:07:20,306 --> 00:07:22,642 And it's mental health is health. 139 00:07:23,009 --> 00:07:24,477 It's not one or the other. 140 00:07:24,477 --> 00:07:25,445 Exactly. It's both. 141 00:07:25,445 --> 00:07:31,284 And and you know as well as I do that our physical health, health that we have, 142 00:07:31,417 --> 00:07:34,587 it really does influence our mental health. 143 00:07:35,087 --> 00:07:38,524 And you're right, mental illness that has a stigma 144 00:07:38,524 --> 00:07:40,660 that I talk a lot about on the show. 145 00:07:40,660 --> 00:07:44,964 And a lot of times then when we hear the term mental health, 146 00:07:44,964 --> 00:07:48,167 we automatically think, well, it must be a serious mental illness 147 00:07:48,901 --> 00:07:51,370 and that's not really what we're talking about today. 148 00:07:51,404 --> 00:07:58,010 Today we're talking about looking at our everyday health in what what is it? 149 00:07:58,010 --> 00:07:59,612 Our emotions? 150 00:07:59,612 --> 00:08:01,481 Do They tend to get the best of us? 151 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:03,583 And are you stressed, for instance? 152 00:08:05,218 --> 00:08:05,985 That's that's a 153 00:08:05,985 --> 00:08:09,589 rhetorical question, but it's like, yeah, duh. 154 00:08:09,889 --> 00:08:13,259 We live in a stressful society. 155 00:08:13,593 --> 00:08:15,361 We have to get to a place, We have to get there. 156 00:08:15,361 --> 00:08:18,331 We have to run our kids to school, we have to get them to practice. 157 00:08:18,331 --> 00:08:19,966 We have to help them with their homework. 158 00:08:19,966 --> 00:08:21,601 And we have to do, do, do, do, do. 159 00:08:21,601 --> 00:08:26,105 We're a society of doing, but we're not really good at being. 160 00:08:26,506 --> 00:08:30,443 And we're human beings right now, human doings. 161 00:08:30,743 --> 00:08:34,714 And when we get locked into that, I have to do this, 162 00:08:35,047 --> 00:08:39,385 we get stressed, and stress is something that we probably don't really think about 163 00:08:39,385 --> 00:08:42,455 as a part of our mental health, but it certainly is. 164 00:08:43,189 --> 00:08:45,992 And the stress that we experience 165 00:08:45,992 --> 00:08:49,862 can lead to other things and I'm sure you have experienced that. 166 00:08:49,862 --> 00:08:54,033 And tell me a little bit about how you got involved in Anovia 167 00:08:54,033 --> 00:08:57,069 and what exactly is Anovia and how that helps 168 00:08:57,403 --> 00:08:59,906 Canada, the general public, with their mental health. 169 00:09:00,606 --> 00:09:01,307 Sure. Yeah. 170 00:09:01,307 --> 00:09:05,578 So so Anovia originally started where we're going to create a network 171 00:09:05,578 --> 00:09:08,781 of outpatient treatment facilities that offered a wide variety of services. 172 00:09:08,781 --> 00:09:11,784 But one of the things in my experience is working 173 00:09:11,784 --> 00:09:14,487 with programs over that over the years was that 174 00:09:14,787 --> 00:09:18,357 there were pieces of it that I didn't want to carry over into this. 175 00:09:18,357 --> 00:09:20,893 We always wanted to offer what is really our core service, 176 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:24,664 and that is a subscription based behavior health prevention 177 00:09:24,664 --> 00:09:25,765 and maintenance organization 178 00:09:25,765 --> 00:09:30,736 where people pay a low monthly access fee to unlimited live groups. 179 00:09:30,736 --> 00:09:35,575 And and really that's where it evolved into and that is the primary focus. 180 00:09:35,575 --> 00:09:36,142 So we dropped 181 00:09:36,142 --> 00:09:40,112 the traditional outpatient treatment that was part of the original plan 182 00:09:40,112 --> 00:09:43,282 and focused on this as a unique offering to create 183 00:09:43,282 --> 00:09:47,153 what what will eventually be the most inclusive group of live 184 00:09:47,486 --> 00:09:51,657 life support groups, support groups, experiential, therapeutic, educational, 185 00:09:51,657 --> 00:09:54,594 lots of different types of groups, wellness related, etc. 186 00:09:54,927 --> 00:09:56,562 around the world in multiple languages. 187 00:09:57,663 --> 00:09:58,264 I love 188 00:09:58,264 --> 00:10:01,500 that because there is a there is power in community. 189 00:10:02,268 --> 00:10:05,671 And when we think about getting maintenance 190 00:10:06,138 --> 00:10:07,273 for our mental health and 191 00:10:07,273 --> 00:10:10,509 let's let's talk about that for a moment, what does that mean? 192 00:10:11,077 --> 00:10:12,545 Maintenance for our mental health. 193 00:10:12,545 --> 00:10:16,916 And a lot of it's preventative from it getting worse, like stress, for instance, 194 00:10:17,683 --> 00:10:17,984 right? 195 00:10:17,984 --> 00:10:22,588 So learning learning techniques and things that you can do to maintain 196 00:10:22,855 --> 00:10:25,758 a healthy life balance is that something 197 00:10:25,825 --> 00:10:28,260 that some of your groups will talk about? 198 00:10:28,794 --> 00:10:29,662 Yes, exactly. 199 00:10:29,662 --> 00:10:31,731 So we do a lot of wellness related activities. 200 00:10:31,731 --> 00:10:35,001 And for example, we have a chiropractor who does our support your body 201 00:10:35,001 --> 00:10:38,938 through stress and understanding a nervous system and understanding 202 00:10:38,938 --> 00:10:42,541 how your diet can affect things and how your sleep can affect things. 203 00:10:42,675 --> 00:10:44,910 You know, even some more serious 204 00:10:44,910 --> 00:10:47,813 support groups that are in the traditional behavioral health 205 00:10:47,813 --> 00:10:48,948 and mental health field as well. 206 00:10:48,948 --> 00:10:52,451 But but also general wellness and, you know, things like yoga and meditation and 207 00:10:52,985 --> 00:10:55,921 breathwork and lots of different things where we can look at 208 00:10:56,455 --> 00:10:59,158 how do we reduce those stress or become more resilient 209 00:10:59,158 --> 00:11:02,495 in times of stress to either prevent something worse from happening 210 00:11:02,862 --> 00:11:06,332 or maybe after episodes of something more serious happening, 211 00:11:06,332 --> 00:11:11,370 we can maintain and and use it as almost like a relapse prevention, if you will. 212 00:11:11,737 --> 00:11:13,205 Oh yeah. 213 00:11:13,205 --> 00:11:17,910 You see such a tremendous benefit that Anovia can offer. 214 00:11:18,277 --> 00:11:20,746 And then you mentioned live groups. 215 00:11:20,746 --> 00:11:24,884 Is this something that's in person or is it also online? 216 00:11:25,785 --> 00:11:26,686 So it's both. Yeah. 217 00:11:26,686 --> 00:11:30,456 We we right now everything is available virtually and always will be virtually. 218 00:11:30,456 --> 00:11:31,991 So we have people that are joining 219 00:11:31,991 --> 00:11:33,392 just like listening to your podcast, 220 00:11:33,392 --> 00:11:35,895 we have people joining from from multiple countries at a time 221 00:11:36,328 --> 00:11:40,166 and at the same time, I don't ever want to devalue the 222 00:11:40,299 --> 00:11:44,003 the importance of having in-person contact, especially for those who need it. 223 00:11:44,437 --> 00:11:46,505 You know, a lot of us have been cooped up or working from home 224 00:11:46,505 --> 00:11:49,108 or doing various things and having an opportunity 225 00:11:49,375 --> 00:11:53,212 to have in-person services as well, whether that's joining a group or 226 00:11:53,546 --> 00:11:57,583 or coming in for, you know, even just a talk, some type of networking 227 00:11:57,583 --> 00:12:01,087 or community related activity, incorporating that 228 00:12:01,087 --> 00:12:04,190 as well as is part of what we're doing with first year in Atlanta, 229 00:12:04,190 --> 00:12:08,294 but then offices in multiple states and countries after that. 230 00:12:08,994 --> 00:12:13,799 Well, it seems like a novae has really taken off in growing in popularity. 231 00:12:14,133 --> 00:12:17,970 You just mentioned that you're all over the place and even globally. 232 00:12:18,204 --> 00:12:21,474 So is this this is offered to those internationally as well? 233 00:12:21,874 --> 00:12:22,341 It is. 234 00:12:22,341 --> 00:12:24,176 We actually have so far we have practitioners already 235 00:12:24,176 --> 00:12:28,948 from four countries in nine states, and these range from therapists 236 00:12:28,948 --> 00:12:33,085 to counselors, coaches, peer support specialists, things like that. 237 00:12:33,085 --> 00:12:37,123 So it's a variety of different types of facilitators based on the type of group 238 00:12:37,123 --> 00:12:38,457 that they're offering. 239 00:12:38,691 --> 00:12:41,761 And we're getting ready to to add a whole bunch more Spanish 240 00:12:41,761 --> 00:12:47,967 speaking groups, including people from Spain, Argentina, Mexico, 241 00:12:48,134 --> 00:12:52,571 I think Chile and Uruguay and Colombia and a few other places. 242 00:12:52,571 --> 00:12:54,974 So it's really, really starting to take off for sure. 243 00:12:55,274 --> 00:12:58,511 Well, I think it's taken off because people are seeing the need 244 00:12:58,511 --> 00:13:03,215 for this because people who sign up for services here to life services 245 00:13:03,215 --> 00:13:07,353 are not necessarily needing one on one therapy, is that right? 246 00:13:07,887 --> 00:13:08,354 Right. 247 00:13:08,354 --> 00:13:08,587 Yeah. 248 00:13:08,587 --> 00:13:12,191 And, you know, although we have a way for some people to get that, if they'd like, 249 00:13:12,458 --> 00:13:14,527 that's really not what we're built on. 250 00:13:14,527 --> 00:13:18,030 And there's so many wonderful services out there and individual providers 251 00:13:18,030 --> 00:13:20,599 where they can get that, especially if they want to use their insurance, 252 00:13:20,699 --> 00:13:21,600 let's say. 253 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,470 And and our focus really is, is the groups. 254 00:13:25,070 --> 00:13:27,273 Okay, So you mentioned insurance. 255 00:13:27,740 --> 00:13:33,512 Is that something that people use their insurance for this or is it private pay? 256 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:35,047 Not for us. 257 00:13:35,047 --> 00:13:36,749 Yeah. For for us, it's private pay. 258 00:13:36,749 --> 00:13:40,319 And that was that was one of the main points 259 00:13:40,319 --> 00:13:43,622 going into this that I wanted to avoid working with. 260 00:13:43,622 --> 00:13:48,327 Insurance, unfortunately in insurance can be extremely difficult 261 00:13:48,327 --> 00:13:49,562 for for a lot of reasons. 262 00:13:49,562 --> 00:13:52,798 And you know, if we can develop a way for people to get help that's actually 263 00:13:52,798 --> 00:13:55,868 less expensive than even many of their copays for a single session 264 00:13:56,368 --> 00:13:59,839 and that was making it more affordable is one of our goals. 265 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:01,273 And I think we're achieving that. 266 00:14:01,273 --> 00:14:02,174 Oh, that's great, 267 00:14:02,174 --> 00:14:03,542 because I'm sure a lot of people are thinking, 268 00:14:03,542 --> 00:14:06,011 All right, so you're not taking insurance, private pay. 269 00:14:06,011 --> 00:14:08,147 It must be very expensive. Right. 270 00:14:08,814 --> 00:14:10,049 And and thankfully, we're not. 271 00:14:10,049 --> 00:14:14,286 I mean, that's we wanted to make it much more accessible and affordable for people. 272 00:14:14,286 --> 00:14:18,858 So the entry level access is only $99 a month. 273 00:14:18,858 --> 00:14:20,459 But there's also coupon codes 274 00:14:20,459 --> 00:14:23,162 and sliding fee scales and things like that out there as well. 275 00:14:23,495 --> 00:14:26,298 And we want to make sure that people are able to get that help 276 00:14:26,298 --> 00:14:29,668 as opposed to focusing on a particular price. 277 00:14:29,668 --> 00:14:34,139 Yeah, we want to to eliminate any of the barriers 278 00:14:34,139 --> 00:14:38,377 that people might have in finances is definitely one of them 279 00:14:38,878 --> 00:14:41,480 because a lot of people might be thinking, Yeah, this sounds great. 280 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,618 I don't need to go to a therapist and I would love to be a part of a group. 281 00:14:45,618 --> 00:14:48,254 But you know, money is tight right now. 282 00:14:48,254 --> 00:14:49,121 I can't afford it. 283 00:14:49,121 --> 00:14:50,890 But what you're saying is that you're going to 284 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:56,061 you're going to do everything that you can to take that barrier away 285 00:14:56,562 --> 00:15:00,633 because your main focus is to help people and help people feel better. 286 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:02,434 Exactly. 287 00:15:02,434 --> 00:15:04,970 Exactly. And you mentioned those barriers, too. 288 00:15:05,004 --> 00:15:07,439 There's there's other barriers that I think that people face 289 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,876 when it comes time to reach out and try and get some help. 290 00:15:10,876 --> 00:15:13,946 And that that includes having to potentially disclose 291 00:15:13,946 --> 00:15:14,446 that they're 292 00:15:14,446 --> 00:15:14,747 that there's 293 00:15:14,747 --> 00:15:16,949 something difficult in their lives that they're dealing with 294 00:15:16,949 --> 00:15:19,184 or that they would like some help and support with. 295 00:15:19,184 --> 00:15:23,088 And maybe they're potentially embarrassed or they don't want to report to h.r. 296 00:15:23,088 --> 00:15:27,359 Or their ap rep or whoever it is, you know, or 297 00:15:27,359 --> 00:15:28,227 they don't want to have to get 298 00:15:28,227 --> 00:15:31,563 diagnosed in order to talk to somebody to use their insurance, 299 00:15:31,997 --> 00:15:34,934 whatever the barrier may be for them that is preventing them 300 00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:36,402 thus far from getting it. 301 00:15:36,402 --> 00:15:39,838 The more we can make it immediately accessible, the better, i think. 302 00:15:40,406 --> 00:15:44,743 Yeah, and you mentioned employers and ERP, so you were talking about 303 00:15:44,743 --> 00:15:49,982 maybe individuals could sign up, but do you also partner with employers? 304 00:15:49,982 --> 00:15:53,452 Is that something that you're wanting to do and maybe make it a part of their EAP? 305 00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:54,687 Absolutely. Yeah. 306 00:15:54,687 --> 00:15:57,323 We have, you know, some of the discussions we have with employers. 307 00:15:57,790 --> 00:16:01,360 A lot of them are small to medium sized companies that are 308 00:16:01,860 --> 00:16:05,130 either don't have any app or they have some mental health benefits, 309 00:16:05,130 --> 00:16:07,800 but they're looking to offer or provide more because they know that 310 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,571 their their employees do have stressful situations, They're experiencing burnout, 311 00:16:12,905 --> 00:16:15,641 they're experiencing turnover, they're experiencing lots of other things. 312 00:16:15,975 --> 00:16:19,144 And people aren't necessarily taking advantage of those other benefits. 313 00:16:19,144 --> 00:16:22,848 So we're just an adjunct service that becomes even more affordable 314 00:16:22,848 --> 00:16:24,750 when when an employer takes it on to be able 315 00:16:24,750 --> 00:16:27,086 to offer that to their employees and their family members. 316 00:16:27,086 --> 00:16:30,589 Well, it becomes a win win when employers get involved 317 00:16:30,589 --> 00:16:33,492 and they become a subscriber, I guess you would say, 318 00:16:33,826 --> 00:16:37,830 and they offer it to employees because now without it, 319 00:16:38,130 --> 00:16:41,400 if their employees of one or two employees decides 320 00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:45,471 that they need to take time off, or maybe they feel so burdened and 321 00:16:45,471 --> 00:16:52,411 stressed out that they quit, the expense of trying to rehire somebody is way more. 322 00:16:52,411 --> 00:16:55,714 And this could be something that's preventative for the employers. 323 00:16:56,181 --> 00:16:58,083 Exactly. Yeah, that's exactly it. 324 00:16:58,083 --> 00:17:00,586 You know, people are bringing their difficulties 325 00:17:00,586 --> 00:17:02,354 from home into the work, or maybe they're not sure 326 00:17:02,354 --> 00:17:06,191 how to interact or communicate well with work related stress. 327 00:17:06,191 --> 00:17:09,361 And so we have groups that are dedicated to that even so that 328 00:17:09,361 --> 00:17:14,133 they can show up and be much more present, much more productive and overall happier 329 00:17:14,133 --> 00:17:17,836 and healthier again, so that, you know, when when you feel better, you do better. 330 00:17:18,103 --> 00:17:19,171 Absolutely. 331 00:17:19,171 --> 00:17:21,940 When you feel better, you do better. 332 00:17:21,940 --> 00:17:23,042 I love it. 333 00:17:23,042 --> 00:17:25,978 And it's a productivity is what we're talking about here. 334 00:17:25,978 --> 00:17:27,446 So that's the end result. 335 00:17:27,446 --> 00:17:31,216 The primary goal is to help people who are struggling with stress 336 00:17:31,216 --> 00:17:33,118 or a number of things. 337 00:17:33,118 --> 00:17:36,155 But the outcome is going to be better productivity, 338 00:17:36,155 --> 00:17:39,691 whether it's for the company or for the individual or for the families 339 00:17:39,691 --> 00:17:43,462 that's going to benefit from from people who are getting the help that they need. 340 00:17:43,929 --> 00:17:45,264 And I love that. 341 00:17:45,264 --> 00:17:49,068 So I want to talk a little bit about what does this look like. 342 00:17:49,068 --> 00:17:51,870 You mentioned live groups, but what exactly can meet? 343 00:17:51,870 --> 00:17:55,507 Can they paint a picture for us, what that might look like if someone were 344 00:17:55,808 --> 00:17:58,811 to look into it or maybe join a group or that look like form? 345 00:17:59,511 --> 00:17:59,812 Yeah. 346 00:17:59,812 --> 00:18:01,880 So after someone subscribes, 347 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,149 they download an app and and they're able to start 348 00:18:04,149 --> 00:18:06,852 scrolling through all the upcoming groups and events that are happening. 349 00:18:07,352 --> 00:18:10,622 You see one that might speak to you and they literally just click on it 350 00:18:10,622 --> 00:18:13,425 and said they they want to go and they'll get a notification 351 00:18:13,459 --> 00:18:15,661 when it's coming up and when it's about to start 352 00:18:16,095 --> 00:18:19,465 and they can hop on from a mobile device, they can hop on from their computer. 353 00:18:19,832 --> 00:18:22,701 And for four areas that were that will have in-person 354 00:18:22,701 --> 00:18:25,871 services, they can, you know, show up and attend in person as well. 355 00:18:25,871 --> 00:18:30,175 But I've had people join from their cars during a lunch break, 356 00:18:30,175 --> 00:18:30,676 you know, like 357 00:18:30,676 --> 00:18:32,744 I even hosted a couple of support groups on there 358 00:18:32,744 --> 00:18:35,114 just because I enjoy that aspect of it as well. 359 00:18:35,581 --> 00:18:38,417 You know, it's it's fantastic, you know, to the point where people 360 00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:41,653 they start to rather than, you know, taking time out to, 361 00:18:42,221 --> 00:18:46,024 you know, maybe watch their favorite YouTube channel or something like that. 362 00:18:46,191 --> 00:18:48,894 They can hop on and connect with somebody else who's going through 363 00:18:48,894 --> 00:18:52,698 something similar in their life that they may not know right now 364 00:18:53,465 --> 00:18:57,402 and be able to experience something that you can't replace 365 00:18:57,703 --> 00:18:59,404 without lot live interaction. 366 00:18:59,404 --> 00:19:00,372 Wow. Okay. 367 00:19:00,372 --> 00:19:03,809 So anywhere they're at, they have access to this. 368 00:19:04,343 --> 00:19:07,579 And so when they pay the the low 369 00:19:07,713 --> 00:19:09,948 subscription fee, is it unlimited? 370 00:19:10,682 --> 00:19:13,318 It's unlimited. It's unlimited. 371 00:19:13,318 --> 00:19:16,622 So we have about 120 plus groups a month right now. 372 00:19:16,622 --> 00:19:21,260 We'll have about 160 or so by the end of October and keep going from there. 373 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,396 You know, the goal is to have them happening 24 hours a day 374 00:19:24,396 --> 00:19:27,199 so that anywhere around the world somebody can jump on in 375 00:19:27,699 --> 00:19:30,402 and find something that makes their life a little better. 376 00:19:30,903 --> 00:19:33,605 Well, you can't get more accessible than that. 377 00:19:35,207 --> 00:19:37,910 That's that is fantastic. 378 00:19:38,110 --> 00:19:41,246 24/7 help if you need it 379 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,950 and it's alive and depending on the time zone, obviously. 380 00:19:45,150 --> 00:19:45,517 Right. 381 00:19:45,517 --> 00:19:50,088 And so there's there's always a provider that's kind of facilitating 382 00:19:50,088 --> 00:19:50,722 the groups that. 383 00:19:50,722 --> 00:19:52,824 Correct is not just random people. 384 00:19:53,192 --> 00:19:55,260 Right? Yes. There's always a facilitator. 385 00:19:55,527 --> 00:19:57,329 You know, some of them are educational groups, 386 00:19:57,329 --> 00:19:58,897 some of them are health and wellness related. 387 00:19:58,897 --> 00:20:00,866 So there's even, you know, yoga and stretching. 388 00:20:00,866 --> 00:20:03,869 And like I said, some other meditative practices. 389 00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:05,671 There's there's some that are 390 00:20:05,671 --> 00:20:09,174 that are much more support based where everybody is contributing. 391 00:20:09,541 --> 00:20:11,476 So there's there's lots of different types of groups. 392 00:20:11,476 --> 00:20:13,378 Somebody doesn't have to speak. 393 00:20:13,378 --> 00:20:16,181 They can just go and learn about something if they want or they can 394 00:20:16,181 --> 00:20:19,384 go and share something that's that's going through the life 395 00:20:19,384 --> 00:20:23,488 and get someone else to listen and potentially offer some advice as well. 396 00:20:23,889 --> 00:20:24,489 Well, that's cool. 397 00:20:24,489 --> 00:20:28,026 So they can they can actually contribute if they want to, but they don't have to. 398 00:20:28,393 --> 00:20:31,630 Correct. Oh, that's awesome. 399 00:20:31,630 --> 00:20:36,501 So are the groups video or audio or both their video? 400 00:20:36,501 --> 00:20:39,004 I mean, you know, if somebody wanted to turn off their camera, 401 00:20:39,304 --> 00:20:40,872 they certainly could. 402 00:20:40,872 --> 00:20:44,009 But so far, the people that are showing up here, even though, you know, some 403 00:20:44,009 --> 00:20:47,846 sometimes people are really nervous before they jump into something that's new. 404 00:20:47,846 --> 00:20:53,051 And I think that that's that's a key thing to build this new habit of, okay, I'm 405 00:20:53,619 --> 00:20:57,723 I'm having to break through this barrier of being scared 406 00:20:57,923 --> 00:21:00,859 to do this, to experience some form of growth. 407 00:21:00,859 --> 00:21:04,763 And when they do and it happens then then they jump on and they realize that, 408 00:21:04,763 --> 00:21:05,130 you know, 409 00:21:05,130 --> 00:21:09,501 you can have a screen name and still have some anonymity and and not have 410 00:21:09,501 --> 00:21:12,604 to, you know, having to disclose who you are and your whole background. 411 00:21:12,604 --> 00:21:15,374 It's just it's just being able to build a community and 412 00:21:15,807 --> 00:21:19,011 and fit what needs what needs you have in your life now. 413 00:21:19,011 --> 00:21:20,112 You know you might lose a loved one 414 00:21:20,112 --> 00:21:23,048 this month and next month you become a new parent and the next month 415 00:21:23,315 --> 00:21:28,053 you have a work related stress or financial stress or something else. 416 00:21:28,053 --> 00:21:29,855 And it's really designed to be able 417 00:21:29,855 --> 00:21:33,058 to pick and choose what you need as you're going through life. 418 00:21:33,692 --> 00:21:37,095 Yeah, So life is so full 419 00:21:37,095 --> 00:21:40,232 of ups and downs and unexpected to happen. 420 00:21:40,399 --> 00:21:43,101 Just like you mentioned today, we're fine. 421 00:21:43,101 --> 00:21:45,170 But tomorrow some tragedy can happen. 422 00:21:45,937 --> 00:21:47,339 And if that were to happen. 423 00:21:47,339 --> 00:21:50,175 So let's say, let's say that I'm wanting to 424 00:21:50,776 --> 00:21:52,944 to join and I join a live group 425 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:57,215 and maybe it's for, oh, I don't know, work related stress. 426 00:21:57,482 --> 00:21:59,751 And I find a group and I'm part of it. 427 00:22:00,018 --> 00:22:01,720 But next week, 428 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,691 next week, something bad really happens and has nothing to do with stress. 429 00:22:05,691 --> 00:22:09,695 Maybe, maybe my dog dies and I'm really grieving that. 430 00:22:09,961 --> 00:22:14,566 And maybe then it's possible that there could be a group on grieving pets. 431 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,668 Exactly. 432 00:22:16,735 --> 00:22:17,135 Yeah. 433 00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:19,538 We do have grief and loss groups. Absolutely. 434 00:22:19,538 --> 00:22:21,306 That's how variable that is can be. 435 00:22:21,306 --> 00:22:23,175 So it is actually life. 436 00:22:23,175 --> 00:22:25,210 You're doing life with people. 437 00:22:25,577 --> 00:22:26,178 Yeah. 438 00:22:26,411 --> 00:22:29,114 Oh, I love that. 439 00:22:29,114 --> 00:22:34,720 So okay, so let's say I'm assuming that if someone joins a live group, 440 00:22:34,886 --> 00:22:39,524 it probably depends on how many people are in that group or do you have a cap? 441 00:22:40,726 --> 00:22:42,194 Well, it depends on on the group. 442 00:22:42,194 --> 00:22:44,863 So depending on the the various types of groups, 443 00:22:45,163 --> 00:22:48,200 if something is more educational base where somebody is presenting 444 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,970 the facilitators presenting information, then then you can have 445 00:22:51,970 --> 00:22:53,672 a higher number in there obviously. 446 00:22:53,672 --> 00:22:55,474 But if it's much more interactive, 447 00:22:55,474 --> 00:22:58,977 then then we'll certainly cap it to a number 448 00:22:58,977 --> 00:23:02,647 that's going to be comfortable for people so that they don't feel left out or that 449 00:23:02,647 --> 00:23:04,783 they're not talking over each other or that kind of thing. 450 00:23:04,783 --> 00:23:06,752 So it really varies from group to group. 451 00:23:06,752 --> 00:23:08,387 What that cap would be. 452 00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:09,521 Well, that makes sense. 453 00:23:09,521 --> 00:23:10,122 Yeah. 454 00:23:10,188 --> 00:23:14,192 If someone were to join a group and maybe they get overwhelmed 455 00:23:14,192 --> 00:23:17,829 because there's too many in there, is it okay if they were to leave 456 00:23:17,829 --> 00:23:20,132 and look for a different group that's maybe smaller? 457 00:23:20,132 --> 00:23:21,066 Oh, yeah, absolutely. 458 00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:23,402 It's totally at will. Absolutely. 459 00:23:23,402 --> 00:23:25,737 So there's no real strict requirements 460 00:23:25,737 --> 00:23:28,807 once you sign up, it's really user led. 461 00:23:29,074 --> 00:23:31,343 You kind of guide your own journey in a way. 462 00:23:31,676 --> 00:23:32,010 Right? 463 00:23:32,010 --> 00:23:34,913 Yeah, because we're not a replacement for traditional mental health services. 464 00:23:34,913 --> 00:23:37,382 You know, we're not treating we're not diagnosing, we're not prescribing. 465 00:23:37,883 --> 00:23:42,487 And so if someone if they need additional care or support 466 00:23:42,487 --> 00:23:43,422 in some other way, 467 00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:47,459 then not only can we help connect them up with with resources like that, but maybe 468 00:23:47,993 --> 00:23:51,897 it could also be where we don't currently offer a group that fits their needs 469 00:23:51,897 --> 00:23:54,933 and we're getting feedback from them and say, Hey, I'd really like this. 470 00:23:54,933 --> 00:23:56,968 Then we can create new groups based on that 471 00:23:56,968 --> 00:24:00,105 because we have a very flexible and fluid platform. 472 00:24:00,505 --> 00:24:01,940 Oh yeah, I love that. 473 00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:05,076 I love getting that feedback from the community. 474 00:24:05,243 --> 00:24:09,247 So I know we were talking earlier about as you are 475 00:24:09,281 --> 00:24:12,818 growing and rapidly growing across the globe, 476 00:24:13,218 --> 00:24:17,522 I would imagine the more people who are signing up, the more need there 477 00:24:17,522 --> 00:24:21,259 is, the more need that you're looking for providers 478 00:24:21,259 --> 00:24:23,929 and facilitators of these groups. Correct? 479 00:24:23,929 --> 00:24:25,530 Yeah, It was interesting. 480 00:24:25,530 --> 00:24:28,967 I just spoke with a few more people today that are that are looking to do that and, 481 00:24:29,367 --> 00:24:30,202 you know, fitting, 482 00:24:30,202 --> 00:24:32,971 fitting some of these other things like what are their what are people's 483 00:24:33,538 --> 00:24:38,777 specialties and topics and other areas that I wouldn't think of necessarily 484 00:24:38,777 --> 00:24:41,746 that people might be struggling with or might want to know about. 485 00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:43,515 And so people who do have different 486 00:24:43,515 --> 00:24:46,685 specialties in the space and who would love to operate some groups 487 00:24:46,685 --> 00:24:49,921 and all that, then then we want to help create a space for that. 488 00:24:50,288 --> 00:24:53,091 So if a provider's listing and can you name 489 00:24:53,091 --> 00:24:55,694 what the types of facilitators and providers are? 490 00:24:56,061 --> 00:24:59,798 Yeah, So we have we have therapists, we have counselors, we have coaches 491 00:25:00,131 --> 00:25:05,370 and peer support specialists, and that pretty much captures everyone 492 00:25:05,704 --> 00:25:09,541 in one of those categories or not, even if they have a different title. 493 00:25:09,541 --> 00:25:11,910 Like I mentioned, we have a chiropractor, 494 00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:13,144 we have another doctor that's coming on, 495 00:25:13,144 --> 00:25:15,146 but they're not operating in those capacities 496 00:25:15,146 --> 00:25:17,115 because they're not giving a medical advice necessarily 497 00:25:17,115 --> 00:25:18,216 or anything at that point. 498 00:25:18,216 --> 00:25:21,653 So even if somebody has a higher level of education or licensure, 499 00:25:22,254 --> 00:25:26,658 what they're offering through us is more of an educational or support role. 500 00:25:26,892 --> 00:25:27,959 Mm hmm. Okay. 501 00:25:27,959 --> 00:25:30,762 So if someone is listening that may fit that category, 502 00:25:31,296 --> 00:25:33,798 where can they go to learn more 503 00:25:33,798 --> 00:25:36,334 about maybe becoming a facilitator themselves? 504 00:25:36,801 --> 00:25:40,005 Chair Probably the easiest way they can email me directly at info 505 00:25:40,005 --> 00:25:46,344 at Anovia be Qcom It's I am via Broadcom. 506 00:25:46,611 --> 00:25:50,081 Otherwise, you know, check out the site for more information on our team. 507 00:25:50,382 --> 00:25:53,218 Have example groups right now in terms of like a calendar 508 00:25:53,251 --> 00:25:57,289 and things like that at WSJ.com and let's connect up. 509 00:25:57,289 --> 00:25:59,524 Let's have a conversation. Oh that's excellent. 510 00:25:59,524 --> 00:26:02,460 And if you're listening to this and maybe you're an individual 511 00:26:02,460 --> 00:26:06,965 or maybe you have a loved one that you're thinking, Oh man, this is exactly 512 00:26:07,332 --> 00:26:11,703 what my my relative or my friend needs to be a part of. 513 00:26:11,937 --> 00:26:16,274 If you're in a visual role and you want to find out more about maybe 514 00:26:16,274 --> 00:26:20,111 joining and subscribing to a live group, Lucas what? 515 00:26:20,111 --> 00:26:20,979 Where could they go? 516 00:26:20,979 --> 00:26:23,915 Is it do or website or is there a special place for them to go? 517 00:26:24,316 --> 00:26:24,816 Yeah, same. 518 00:26:24,816 --> 00:26:27,185 Just visit the website and click on subscribe 519 00:26:27,185 --> 00:26:29,220 and you can see the different packages there. 520 00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:33,325 And if, if they're not affordable, then you can also email me directly 521 00:26:33,325 --> 00:26:35,660 and we'll, we'll do a sliding scale. 522 00:26:35,961 --> 00:26:37,696 Oh, that's fantastic. 523 00:26:37,696 --> 00:26:40,265 Nobody is left behind. 524 00:26:40,265 --> 00:26:43,268 There's enough groups going on, enough topics 525 00:26:43,268 --> 00:26:46,571 that if it's just about everybody and if it doesn't, 526 00:26:46,738 --> 00:26:49,407 you have some brand new topic that you're thinking of. 527 00:26:49,741 --> 00:26:54,913 You can offer some feedback and maybe a group might just form 528 00:26:55,113 --> 00:26:56,581 based on your idea. 529 00:26:56,581 --> 00:26:57,582 I love that. 530 00:26:57,582 --> 00:27:01,353 Yes. Well, Lucas, thanks so much for coming on. 531 00:27:01,353 --> 00:27:02,854 Our time is running out here. 532 00:27:02,854 --> 00:27:04,522 It was such a joy to learn 533 00:27:04,522 --> 00:27:08,893 more about Anovia behavioral health and the access that you're providing. 534 00:27:08,893 --> 00:27:12,330 And you really are changing the way we think about mental health. 535 00:27:12,897 --> 00:27:14,733 And I love that. 536 00:27:14,733 --> 00:27:17,736 I love the accessibility, the variety. 537 00:27:18,069 --> 00:27:21,873 It does not have to be a serious mental illness. 538 00:27:21,873 --> 00:27:24,275 In fact, this is not at all what it's designed for, 539 00:27:24,275 --> 00:27:27,579 but it's designed for everyday, just everyday 540 00:27:27,579 --> 00:27:32,317 life issues that people struggle with from all over the world. 541 00:27:32,317 --> 00:27:32,851 Exactly. 542 00:27:32,851 --> 00:27:35,920 And John, thank you so much for not only for having me on, 543 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,923 but for having this platform and sharing all these ideas 544 00:27:39,124 --> 00:27:41,126 and people and making resources available for others. 545 00:27:41,126 --> 00:27:42,727 I really appreciate what you do. 546 00:27:42,727 --> 00:27:43,294 Thank you. 547 00:27:43,294 --> 00:27:46,865 And it's certainly a pleasure of mine and I love doing that. 548 00:27:46,865 --> 00:27:48,333 But before I let you go, 549 00:27:49,634 --> 00:27:52,437 I got you now, 550 00:27:52,437 --> 00:27:56,307 one of the things I ask all of my guests and I like doing this 551 00:27:56,307 --> 00:28:00,578 because I talk about self-care a lot because I think it's important 552 00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:05,350 and I practice self-care and I would love to learn. 553 00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:08,520 What are some things that you incorporate into your self-care? 554 00:28:09,054 --> 00:28:10,789 Yeah, great question. 555 00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:13,658 So one of the first one of the first things is I have my own therapist 556 00:28:13,892 --> 00:28:17,262 that I always check in with and, and that is important for me. 557 00:28:17,262 --> 00:28:20,465 But I meditate personally routinely. 558 00:28:20,465 --> 00:28:25,136 I have a meditation practice and really trying to get some outside time. 559 00:28:25,437 --> 00:28:29,441 I think that nature as a whole can can be very restorative 560 00:28:29,441 --> 00:28:32,077 and I use those. 561 00:28:32,477 --> 00:28:33,478 Oh, that's fantastic. 562 00:28:33,478 --> 00:28:36,147 I love the nature too, and I talk a lot about that. 563 00:28:36,147 --> 00:28:39,184 I try to get out in it as much as I can every week. 564 00:28:39,551 --> 00:28:41,953 So that's fantastic. Well done. Thank you. 565 00:28:42,420 --> 00:28:45,190 Well, everybody, thank you so much for being a part of the show. 566 00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:49,494 Again, I really thank you for tuning in and listening and 567 00:28:49,494 --> 00:28:53,631 some of you been subscribe for a long time and some of you you're brand new. 568 00:28:53,898 --> 00:28:56,101 I never take that for granted. 569 00:28:56,101 --> 00:29:00,238 And if this is something that you think somebody that comes to mind 570 00:29:00,538 --> 00:29:03,675 share this episode with them, let them listen to it. 571 00:29:04,109 --> 00:29:07,545 And the chances are they might really relate to it. 572 00:29:07,545 --> 00:29:11,816 And and maybe it's someone who has refused to go to therapy 573 00:29:11,816 --> 00:29:13,251 because they don't feel like they need it, 574 00:29:13,251 --> 00:29:15,754 but maybe they would do something like this. 575 00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:18,356 You know, maybe maybe a live group like this 576 00:29:18,356 --> 00:29:21,025 might actually be helpful for them. 577 00:29:21,426 --> 00:29:23,194 Share this episode with them. 578 00:29:23,194 --> 00:29:25,263 That would be a good service that you can provide. 579 00:29:26,030 --> 00:29:26,931 Well, I'm going to let you go. 580 00:29:26,931 --> 00:29:30,335 Everybody continue to work on your mental health. 581 00:29:30,335 --> 00:29:34,239 And as always, remember that the Mental Health Today Show 582 00:29:34,472 --> 00:29:39,377 has been championing your mental health since 2015. 583 00:29:39,577 --> 00:29:41,913 You take care of my friends. 584 00:29:41,913 --> 00:29:55,927 Bye bye.